Sunday, April 24, 2011

Black Hat Forum Black Hat SEO

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Black Hat Forum Black Hat SEO


A little help with programs.

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 08:20 PM PDT

I know this is a noob question, but I am a noob, so please help me.

Can someone explain to me detailedly the difference between these softwares:
  • SEnuke X
  • Xrumer
  • Xgen SEO
  • AMR [???]
  • Scrapebox
  • Any others??

I obviously can't afford SENX right now, but the others, maybe...

Ebay and payment holds?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 08:17 PM PDT

hi guys,
I'm a fully established seller (90 days since sale) and i tried to remove the payment holds, unfortunately egay still doesnt let me? It's been 95 days..
Any suggestions?

Drop Shipping With Amazon?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 08:15 PM PDT

Just wondering if it was possible for new sellers, unlike eGay..

How Do You Use Thebestspinner??

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 08:06 PM PDT

Hello all, I have to search around this forum about "How to use thebestspinner" or something like tips n trick to create unique spun article 70-100% but still make sense to read using thebestspinner..

I will share it first.,. step by step:
1. I go with "replace everyone's favorites" I choose better/good quality n max synonyms is 3, uncheck the "keep original word.."
2. Then auto select synonyms phrase only, max synonyms: 3/4, freq: every word/phrase
3. Generate the article, and delete not make sense synonyms using ctrl+click
3. With this method usually I get 65-70% uniqueness and they all exactly can read and copyscape passed

How about you??

What tools do you use to market to offline businesses?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 08:05 PM PDT

Hey guys, I had another question. What type of SEO tools, website tools, sites or whatever. Any types of tools you use for local search or any offline businesses please post here.

Thank you so much,

Christian

Get Android Apps on Amazon!

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 08:00 PM PDT

I just discovered this today, maybe you guys have already known about it, but i thought I would mention it anyway. Amazon now has a section for android apps. Free ones to!

10-15k likes

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 07:56 PM PDT

Anyone that can deliver 10-15k real likes, msg me, im paying for it

Cl Bot Pro Is It Good?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 07:49 PM PDT

I need to get a posting software is this easy to use and can it post ant least 50 ads a day? Also do I add the ip's in the software manully? Please help i am a serious newbie to posting software. I want to buy one but I want to have a idea what I need to make money off it.:o

article directories backlinks.. 400 vs 800+ words?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 07:38 PM PDT

Hey fellas it makes me wonder If you submit two articles to the same directory one 400 words the other 800 will backlinks from those articles pass the same link juice power?

shtml and aff links

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 07:11 PM PDT

Hi everyone, I have two questions. I was checking out one of my competitors pages, and noticed he had index.html, and index.shtml. This guy has a ton of diff domains indexed pretty well in the serps. All have the same page layout and template. He obv uses the .shtml to serve his links and whatnot. What I noticed though is his .html page is the one indexed in google, and serves as a landing page....from then on, no matter what page you click even if it's the home button it takes you to index.shtml.
My question is whats the advantage of this? Why not just get his .shtml page indexed?

Also my question about aff links, I've read multiple times google doesn't like them. I usually redirect them, so say my keyword is yyyyy, I'll have yyyyy as a link to www.domain .com/yyyy and a 301 redirect to say amazon. Is there really any point to this or am i just creating extra work for myself?

What is the worst thing you ever did for $1 ?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 06:45 PM PDT

Hi
People do everything and anything to get money, So what is the worst thing you ever did to get just one buck?

Internet Estate JV

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 06:34 PM PDT

To start off, let me just say that I know from my post count and whatnot that I'm going to be criticized for posting this, and the majority of people will not even give this a second look. But if you believe in making money and building an 'empire', please read on and contact me.

The main purpose of this JV is to find investors. That's who I'm posting for.

This JV consists of a corporation being created and the investors being given stock in exchange for their investment. These stocks can be given on contractual agreement to be repurchased from the corporate treasury WITH interest factored in or as just you keeping your stocks and growing with the corporation. That's where the investors will be making their money back and more.

This JV will require a large amount of money, between x,xxx-xx,xxx or more. And again, I understand that this is a large amount of money and many people aren't going to want to trust me based on my account statistics BUT, I am currently writing up a business plan for it (potential investors are welcome to join in and help me with it, thus further securing your investment and having your money being paid back factored into the business plan.) that will be readily available for any interested parties.

This project involves using the corporation to buy large amounts of internet estate that is generating revenue.

At the risk of giving too much away, I'll stop explaining in public here. The plan involves much more than that in the long run.

Please, if at all interested, and would like to learn more I ask you to contact me. You can PM me here, or hit me up on Skype username: mjgrae , on AIM: AxleX3228 ,and after one of those I will gladly give any prospects my email address and phone number to more easily contact each other. (I have a smart phone, so I get my email and calls at ALL hours of the day and can respond almost immediately.)

After discussing a bit, I would also be interested in speaking on the phone and even meeting person, if that is indeed possible, I am VERY serious about this. This is going to be a BIG project that will last as far as accounting goes, indefinitely.

I know this thread will not build much, if any, trust between myself and potential investors, and my 'noob' standing in the forums will surely be a detriment even further.

But I will build your trust if you contact me further. All of my time will be devoted to this, getting it going and keeping it alive will constitute my full time job.

Anyone who's read this far, I thank you and again ask you to contact me.
This is a long-term project, that WILL get very big. It just needs a startup.

Any secret to writing PR articles?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 06:28 PM PDT

I've seen some older PR guides that had strict rules on formatting - like adding your name, address, company, etc.

But the template from PRlog seems to have removed a lot of that.

Are PR really much different than regular articles anymore?

Am I wasting my time if I just submit some of my spun articles (in SenukeX for example) instead of a tailored PR article?

Just curious. Again, I've seen some guides, but I feel like things have changed and just looking for up-to-date tips if anyone has them to share.

Thanks.

google places / local. multiple nationwide sites on same server

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 06:15 PM PDT

Hi Everyone. I am working on multiple sites which I plan to rank on google places in different cities. All sites would have similar products and services being offered, but will be targeted completely for different locations with unique content.
For each site, I plan to have unique address and phone number in each city

My question is: is it OK to have multiple sites hosted on the same server?
Basically sites would have same C-class IPs.
This issue is the only problem that stops me from moving forward. Since getting all different hostings (i.e. SEO hostings) would make thing more complicated due to the complexity of the database my multiple site share.

I have searched most of the forum for similar question. But never came across of c-class , b-class etc ips AND google places.

Hello

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 05:58 PM PDT

This looks like a great site where I can sell services and learn about making money. I hope I can make some cash from this site.

Did The Panda Update Shoot Down BuildMyRank?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 05:52 PM PDT

I've always admired BuildMyRank as a decent way of building backlinks. I'd consider it more grey hat than blackhat as each post is unique and reviewed by a human being before being allowed go live. Becuase of this, i always thought of it as a bit like a decent article directory service (and not one of the crappy ones you'd associate with UAW and the like).

I've just bought a subscription to BuildMyRank. I was wondering what peoples opinions are of it now POST Panda update. Is it still effective and worth the money?

Best VPS provider for Scrapebox?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 05:38 PM PDT

I am currently using xs-server but it seems they are starting to get crappy/slow. Looking for the next best VPS provider.

I need help creating a better login for my membership site

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 05:32 PM PDT

I have a membership site that I bought several months ago, it's doing pretty well but many paid users complain that they are unable to login. I don't know jack shit about how logins even work, but it's set up so that there is only one username and password for everyone. That's how it was when I bought the site. Back then, you were taken to the right to member's area home page after logging in with no problems, but the whole member's area was visible in search engines and you could click on the links returned in google and view the member's area. I had someone make it so that the member's area was password protected, but in doing this, after entering the login info and hitting the login button, a box pops up asking the user to enter their username and password again. After entering your login info again, you are taken to the member's area homepage. However, I suspect many people aren't seeing this second login box popping up due to pop up blockers or something like that.

Either way, I would like to revamp my login system so that users can create their own usernames and passwords, and so that everyone can log in without having issues of having to enter login info multiple times. I don't know anything beyond very basic HTML, so I cannot really do this on my own. Just wondering if there is a tutorial on how do set one up somehow, a site that helps you create one, or something along those lines. Free is best, I guess I might pay a reasonable one time fee, but I won't do a monthly charge for this, no way. I searched for answers in google but kept getting membership site management management services for crazy prices. Anyways, thanks for any help.

Non english Websites and blackhat seo

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 05:31 PM PDT

The question is this. When doing seo you know two things, you need good content and you need backlinks. We know diffrent techniques get backlinks to our sites. But do these backlinks need to be in webs with same language?

May you use AMR to submit 100s of articles, this articles will be posted in article directories. Should the articles be written on what language? will the links to non english websites count?

Will Bookmarking demon be usefull to sumit to these sites? will the description and data need to be written in english, although the sites to submit are on non english languages?

Please advice.

img src= do I need to include it?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 05:26 PM PDT

So when I create goto create a creative link I get something such as the following:

Quote:

<a href="http://www.jdoqocy.com/k5117mu2-v1HMNOKONOHJILOJOMM" target="_blank" onmouseover="window.status='http://www.gamefly.com';return true;" onmouseout="window.status=' ';return true;">Custom creative link</a><img src="http://www.tqlkg.com/d074z15u-yJhPQMQPQJLKNQLQOO" width="1" height="1" border="0"/>
I just want to link my keyword to the link tho. So all I really need is

Will I still get credit for the click/sale? Not including the:
Quote:

<img src="http://www.tqlkg.com/d074z15u-yJhPQMQPQJLKNQLQOO" width="1" height="1" border="0"/>
crap?

Ebay/Dropshipping Explanations

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 05:26 PM PDT

Hey guys,

I can't seem to understand what ebay and dropshipping is all about. I read a lot of posts trying to figure out what it is.

As I understand it, the basics are to list an item on ebay and then order it with the adress that your customer provided from an external retailer. Tell me if I'm right.

I already sold on ebay by buying low and selling high and making nice profits. I'm looking for someone to teach me how to dropship, make money with that and hopefully to work together. Pm me or add me on skype : bl4ckdata.

Thanks,

B

NO Selling, Offering Your Services or WTB Threads Here

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 05:23 PM PDT

NO Selling, Offering Your Services or WTB Threads Here.

Members that ignore this warning will be issued an infraction or banned without notice.

One Click Wordpress Comment Poster

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 05:12 PM PDT

Hello Blackhatters,
I have build a software which I call Comment Browser what basically does is allow you to post comments easily in any of the wordpress blogs. First of all what you do is start a project and enter your spinned details ( like name, email, url, comment ) then you browse the net as you normally would and whenever you come across some blog that you would like to comment on just click a button and your comment is posted! This saves me a lot of typing :)

Code:

Deposit Files /files/21isqip02

Best way to mass email ?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 05:07 PM PDT

Have you guys used ads4dough ? do they cheat you out or do they pay correctly ? . also whats the best way to mass email

Alright...Need some advice from my BH'ers about customs

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 05:04 PM PDT

Hey guys,

I posted a thread in the Dropshipping/Wholesale section the other day, and since then, I've had no updates on my package.

I ordered some replica clothes from China (a variety of items including 4-5 jeans, 4 shirts, a pair of shoes, and a belt). So obviously, it doesn't look like I'm buying these for reselling purposes. I make similar orders about twice a year, total; never had problems receiving them.

This time, my package has been in customs since the 19th (April), so I'm a bit concerned.

I'm a college student, and am by no means prepared for any legal trouble.

Any advice from my fellow BH'ers?

Video Marketing Robot

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 04:36 PM PDT

The Ultimate Video Marketing, Editing, and Submission Tool - COMING SOON!
Anyone heard of it? Is it from the makers of AMR? Looks interesting

Mailing about 30-40k emails per day. Need reliable proxies.

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 04:33 PM PDT

The title says it all, can anyone recommend some good proxies for mailing?

Craigslist Never Sent A Code For PVA??

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 04:27 PM PDT

I put in a fresh new number and no text or call anyone ever seen this happen before :eek:

google blogger

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 04:25 PM PDT

I got a great idea for a website/blog.

i want to use google blogger. is that a bad idea? will i lose money?

i tried getting a host and getting wordpress but it done my head in

Question about taxes and paypal

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 04:18 PM PDT

Do you have to claim income that is still in your paypal account and hasn't been moved to your bank, but was earned for the tax year in question?

Secondly, if you only claim income that you moved from paypal to your bank that year, can you write off any expenses paid for using your paypal balance?

Mass Unfollow

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 04:13 PM PDT

Hi, I just start the mass following stuff on Twitter.
I'm stupid enough got my account suspend which let Tweet Attack run overnight targeting followers. Reach 3x times Max Limit and got suspended.

Now Twitter re-open my account because I make some excuses to it, now I rather go for Twiends and outsource for the guy to do the job.

Here the question. My Twitter now became nearly 2k following from 33! I want to get rid of them by using Mass Unfollow, so will I got suspend if I mass unfollow so many people at a time?

This you need to know, if u follow someone, Twitter may send notification email to the person, but as I know Twitter never send UNfollow notify emails. I just want to know will I get ban if Mass Unfollow about 1k people. I want to get my Twitter account back to 'normal' now.

Thanks for the answer!

who is the best to buy for Criagslist proxy's ?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 04:03 PM PDT

who is the best to buy for Criagslist proxy's ? Let me know also should i charge people 200 dollars to post 1000 posting on craigslist if its a reasonable PR

TweetAdder Search Issue

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:59 PM PDT

I find TweetAdder, overall, to be an excellent tool.

There is one issue I have been encountering with regard to searching for people to follow: When I attempt to search on the basis of location + bio keyword, the results are for the most part in locations far away from the one I have specified.

Searching for followers of a particular user works. Searching by keyword alone, for people anywhere in the world, works. But searching for bio keyword plus location has not worked for me.

I have addressed this issue to TweetAdder support but they just refer me to their videos, which are not helpful in this regard (nor is their manual).

Has anyone else encountered this issue or developed a workaround for it?

How many of you dropship Tshirts?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:55 PM PDT

Just wondering how many people here dropship tshirts for an ecommerce store or buy tshirts at wholesale prices to resell at places such as ebay. Reason I ask is just to get an idea of how many people here are looking for this sort of thing or already do it. I will have an offer in the near future for this.

Regards,

Mitch

I need a supplier for Air Jordans

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:54 PM PDT

If any of you have websites or accounts on DHGate, Alibaba, iOffer, etc. and you sell retro Air Jordans, please let me know. I am very interested in selling them and I know a lot about the different models and styles. I know which styles people pay a lot of money for, but so far I have been unable to find a website that sells quality shoes. The shoes I have bought so far have all come with defects and messed up paint on the bottoms. I need a supplier who sells HIGH QUALITY Air Jordans. If you can supply me with Air Jordans that are not defective or flawed, we can make a lot of money.

I have TRAFFIC.... looking to JV...

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:52 PM PDT

I have traffic.

I have US traffic, can break it down per state and city if needed.
Real people. NO bots.

I have international traffic. Different amounts depending on the country.


I want to joint venture with someone that can monetize it.

I do not want to run scams or any crap like that.
No CS. No Porn. No Downloads. No hate. No copyrighted.
No illegal.

I want this to run for a long time.

ADD me on skype: Traffic-On-Demand

so we can talk.

I WOULD LIKE TO DEAL ON SKYPE FOR THIS.
it so much easier to use. and its free.. so please
add me on skype


I am willing to split 50/50.

We can start out slow...and when I gain trust we can scale it up.

How much traffic do I have???
I can comfortably without straining my servers send you 1 million plus a day. I have 24 servers that handle this.



I want a long term partnership.
I want this partnership to run for the next couple of years if possible.


Please skype me and add a note to
add you that you are interested in JV with traffic...
so that I know where you are coming from.

I am from the US. You can be US or international.

I only have this ad on BHW... so if you see it elsewhere.. its not me.




Thanks
Virus1

Wordpress Redirect deleted Page Problem

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:49 PM PDT

Hi all,

i have a little problem with a duplicate content, because i have a redirect, which i will kill and i have no chance to kill.

So what i'm doing.

I have 2 posts with kw url like mydomain.com/kw
I will do this 2 posts to static page sites. But then i thought, when i make 20 static pages i have a to big list, so i will sort by groupos. i made a new page like health and did the 2 static pages parents to the health page and pinged them :(
Then i noted that my page is now like this mydomain.com/health/kw and all my backlinks are on mydomain.com/kw

So i delete the health page and did it back to mydomain.com/kw

But now google had indexed both versions

mydomain.com/kw
mydomain.com/health/kw

But everytime i go to mydomain.com/health/kw its redirected to mydomain.com/kw

I tried to install the sitemap plugin and in the sitemap the health version isn't.

I disabled by all in one seo the canonical urls, but no difference. I search in the database, but found the health/kw, but i found not the page id from my kw page.

I hope anyone can give me a tip, how i can delete this permanent redirect.

I have also tried the Permalink Migrator, but no difference. I think this work just for blogs.

Hope anyone have i idea.

Thanks

Browser, go to next in list?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:47 PM PDT

A lot of manual blog commenting. After I have my list harvested, I was wondering if there was a program that allowed me to put the list in, and has a 'GO TO NEXT URL' option.

So I would load a text file and go to the first page. When the commenting is done, i would click "next" and it would go to the next url and so on..

Or perhaps maybe that imacros program could do something?

~Z

Free youtube views!!!

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:44 PM PDT

I CAME ACROSS THIS SITE A FEW DAYS AGO AND SEEMS TO BE WORKING I GOT SOME VIEWS, LIKES, AND SUBSCRIBERS.

THE NAME OF THE SITE IS vagex HERE IS MY # ref=9055
SORRY I AM NOT ABLE TO ADD LINKS YET ON BHW...

PLEASE LEAVE FEEDBACK REGARDING YOUR EXPERIENCE.

ENJOY!

HC.

proxys needed to check page rank ? in scrapebox ?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:31 PM PDT

proxys needed to check page rank ? in scrapebox ? just started using this . I can change my ip very fast in 10 seconds . it says google might ban my ip ?

Hi BlackHatWorld, I have a question as for building traffic.

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:26 PM PDT

I was would wondering what are some free effective ways to gain free targeted visitors? My friend and I are trying to get up and coming music fans to check out his music (soundcloud page) across the world, and we are just trying to build on the ground up.

Any advice would have been appreciated, and if you would like to chat or can really help us out, PM and lets talk on skype.

We believe in helping others who help us, so if you are seeking any help, maybe we can offer something to help you for you priceless efforts.

New Social Platform Pays You!

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:18 PM PDT

Hello blackhat mates!

I´ve found a really awesome site where you can make money on a new social platform such like, "twitter" and "facebook" but much better and still in development, so it will be much better then any social platform on the world.

The best thing of all is, they pay you for being active on their platform and for recruiting other people.
If you do the job right and will recruit alot people and being constantly active you will make alot money.

The money you earn, you will earn FOREVER! for so long their company exists.
I dont know anymuch more yet i registred my account yesterday night.

I would love if you would join trough my link but you dont have to if you dont want i will put the normal link also in it.

Code:

hxxp://unifiedvibe.c0m/en/?ID=vincentvandersluys
Code:

hxxp://unifiedvibe.c0m/en/
I hope you will like it and say thanks to me!

Vincent van der Sluys.

Facebook ad vouchers/coupons

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:18 PM PDT

If I have coupon codes for facebook on a new facebook advertising account how many coupons can you stack on eachother? I have a bunch of $50.00 facebook vouchers, so how many can I use per account :p

Why my thread was deleted

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:14 PM PDT

I published a thread about a private facebook exploit about how to get 5000 friends in 7 hours, but someone just deleted it , can you tell me why ? I made some efforts in that fucking thread and I tried to help the community!

Can anybody tell me if this is VERO item?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:01 PM PDT

Hi
I am interested in Jacquard Woven Men's Necktie 100% silk, is this VERO item? I am not getting any clue. If someone can tell me about this, it would be very helpful. Thank you

Why create so much apps?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:00 PM PDT

I posted this question in another thread, but I was told that it was not the wight place, so I'm posting it here:
Guys, I'm not involved in FB IM, but I'm trying to get some knowledge. So I have a question: what for do you create these apps? How do you earn on them?

Recomended on site SEO layout?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 03:00 PM PDT

I currently have blog format but wanna rework it into static pages.

I've read that you should sticky your main keyword on the front page. Would it be ok to just have internal links to my main ones on the front page in anchour text? Would that do the same thing?

I am thinking of doing an article for most of the keywords in my list and I have about 30 or so. About 10 the most competitive but also most serached and the rest less comp but also less searches. I'd been neglecting these long tailers but I'm gonna try writing a 500 word article for each.

I think I'm gonna go for static pages as they look tidier and do internal links throughout with diff categories.

Other tips on recommended layout would be welcome.

Good $$ From Playstation Network Outage

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 02:40 PM PDT

I'm not going to spoonfeed you, but here's an idea for a quick and easy promotion method based on the PSN being down.

The forum below is the official forum thread keeping everyone updated on the current situation and there's A LOT of people looking for stuff to do (apparently they have no lives outside of gaming!) :

http://community.eu.playstation.com/..._id=TSO_EN_106

All you need is some good game offers. I know WSM have plenty at $2 per free signup (Last Chaos which is similar to World Of Warcraft). Think of ways of getting people to sign up and play. Use a URL shortener such as www.smartdots.com if you'd rather use a free option.

The only catch - the forum isn't accepting registration atm so you already need a forum account hence why I'm not jumping on this. There's gotta be someone out there who has and can make use. If not it's a good example of thinking outside the box.

The idea should work but don't gun me down if there's any hitches ;)

If anyone tries it please do post how you get on.

Good Luck!!

EDIT: That thread is EXTREMELY active. Always hundreds or more people looking and posting on there.

~ The Salty Droid - F*cking Epic ~

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 02:37 PM PDT

Dudes (and Dudettes)...

Man, I have been glued to my PC the whole damn night after coming across:

Code:

http://saltydroid.info/
This dude exposes the Shit Bags that refer to themselves as "The Syndicate". Hell and the rest of the so called "Gurus".

Now, I'm sure that many of you in the Community have heard or come across this site... but to those that are oblivious to the shit thats going on the IM world - Listen up...

"The Syndicate" are made up of d-bags like:

Frank Kern
Jeff Walker
Jeff Johnson
Ryan Deiss
Andy "The Hobbit" Jenkins
Brad Fallon
Mike "Lame" Filsaime
Mike "Cannot spell to save my ass" Koenigs
Eben Pagan aka David "Douche Bag" DeAngelo

Now all of a sudden (well, maybe not as sudden as it reads) Tony "I will swallow you whole with my big-ass mouth" Robbins has jumped on the band wagon too.

Look, without going into too much detail - I urge you to go and check out this site. It really opened my eyes and Im sure some of you will see the value or at least the humour in this (The Salty Droid is one funny MoFo).

Anyway, just wanted to share and spread the word about these twats.

Peace and Love

Ruoall

Crazy shit I tell you... There are videos and audio of these numbnuts discussing their products, strategies, price fixing, lies, etc... Get educated people...

Socom 4 anyone else buy it?

Posted: 24 Apr 2011 02:36 PM PDT

Did anyone else get socom 4 for PS3 I thought it was pretty good, however playstation network been hacked and it's been down for the last 4 days

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